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Wasn’t sure where to put this, so here it is…

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On the flip side of completion % for 2023:
Dak: 69.5
Cousins: 69.4
Purdy: 69.4
Tua: 69.3
Carr: 68.4
Daniel Jones: 67.5
Goff: 67.3
Lamar: 67.2
Mahomes: 67.2
Burrow: 66.8
Josh Allen: 66.5
Murray: 65.7
Lawrence: 65.6
Hurts: 65.4
Herbert: 65.1

65% or higher should be the goal for Caleb.
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Grizzled wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 4:10 pm On the flip side of completion % for 2023:
Dak: 69.5
Cousins: 69.4
Purdy: 69.4
Tua: 69.3
Carr: 68.4
Daniel Jones: 67.5
Goff: 67.3
Lamar: 67.2
Mahomes: 67.2
Burrow: 66.8
Josh Allen: 66.5
Murray: 65.7
Lawrence: 65.6
Hurts: 65.4
Herbert: 65.1

65% or higher should be the goal for Caleb.
Yeah, so long as YPA isn't 3.4, I'm down with that.
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dplank wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 3:46 pm Wasn’t sure where to put this, so here it is…

I'm not really sure what this stat is supposed to indicate.

I assume it's the number of inaccurate passes leading to incompletions divided by the total number of incompletions.

So a QB can have a high completion rate but also have a high % in this stat too. It also doesn't tell us anything about why passes may be inaccurate e.g. due to pressure.

I'd say Pro Football Reference's "On Target %" (which excludes spikes and throwaways) and Bad Throw % are more informative.
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HisRoyalSweetness wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 4:59 pm
dplank wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 3:46 pm Wasn’t sure where to put this, so here it is…

I'm not really sure what this stat is supposed to indicate.

I assume it's the number of inaccurate passes leading to incompletions divided by the total number of incompletions.

So a QB can have a high completion rate but also have a high % in this stat too. It also doesn't tell us anything about why passes may be inaccurate e.g. due to pressure.

I'd say Pro Football Reference's "On Target %" (which excludes spikes and throwaways) and Bad Throw % are more informative.
Yeah, would be useful to know what the possible options are there? Drops, balls thrown away, what else? Inaccurate feels like it could cover quite a lot as well, from not on point but should still be caught to was that a throw away or not?
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I don’t know, but I did notice the QBs who played poorly were at the top and the ones who played well were at the bottom, so it passed a quick sanity check
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dplank wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 7:54 am I don’t know, but I did notice the QBs who played poorly were at the top and the ones who played well were at the bottom, so it passed a quick sanity check
Hmm, Lamar Jackson the reigning MVP is 5th on that list, Jordan Love 6th and CJ Stroud who won Offensive Rookie of the Year with an exceptional first season is 8th. It's fair to say the better QBs are generally lower down but it's not definitive.
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There's a few outliers but that will be true of any stat. It generally lines up. And Lamar doesn't surprise me as half his value (at least) is his legs and he's never been known as an accurate passer. Love sucked for half the season also, people forget that because he finished strong.
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If anything, that Geno Smith leads the league in whatever that stat is supposed to convey, seems good for the Bears and Williams.
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I would just like to point out that GOAT Minshew was at 30.8% which puts him way ahead of a lot of QBs.
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Had to look it up. Rate of incompletions refers to inaccurate passes, it's not some type of ratio:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/sea ... 99c6bf3581
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At least Watson is elite at something Football related
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The Marshall Plan wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 11:42 am I would just like to point out that GOAT Minshew was at 30.8% which puts him way ahead of a lot of QBs.
And tied with JF1
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Ditka’s dictaphone wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 2:06 am
The Marshall Plan wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 11:42 am I would just like to point out that GOAT Minshew was at 30.8% which puts him way ahead of a lot of QBs.
And tied with JF1
Exactly. A Clash Of The Titans. Both of them are good QBs.
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How do you factor in, my bonehead receiver ran the wrong route, into those percentages?
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