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Re: Keep On Cringing About Center

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:44 am
by thunderspirit
malk wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:18 am If they're high ebough on Stromberg we probably don't bother even drafting one low right? They need a free agent, probably Shelton and he won't take another one year deal. So unless we're cutting Bates that's already 3 center options. Maybe someone low enough to stash on the practice squad...
One of the consistent criticisms I've had of Poles is the team's unwillingness to invest much in the UDFA market while he's been GM, where (sometimes, at least) contributors to your team can be found, including at center and guard. He's had two UDFA "finds", both on the defensive side (Jaylon Jones and Jack Sanborn, both in 2022; you can maybe add Josh Blackwell, though the Bears didn't sign him after the draft they claimed him off waivers from the Eagles in 2022.)

Whether that's a lack of interest or an inability to identify guys who might help (the latter is clearly more damning), it's an issue.

Re: Keep On Cringing About Center

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:31 am
by wab
malk wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:18 am If they're high ebough on Stromberg we probably don't bother even drafting one low right? They need a free agent, probably Shelton and he won't take another one year deal. So unless we're cutting Bates that's already 3 center options. Maybe someone low enough to stash on the practice squad...
If Shelton is back, Stromberg could get a look at guard.

Re: Keep On Cringing About Center

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:42 pm
by RichH55
thunderspirit wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:44 am
malk wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:18 am If they're high ebough on Stromberg we probably don't bother even drafting one low right? They need a free agent, probably Shelton and he won't take another one year deal. So unless we're cutting Bates that's already 3 center options. Maybe someone low enough to stash on the practice squad...
One of the consistent criticisms I've had of Poles is the team's unwillingness to invest much in the UDFA market while he's been GM, where (sometimes, at least) contributors to your team can be found, including at center and guard. He's had two UDFA "finds", both on the defensive side (Jaylon Jones and Jack Sanborn, both in 2022; you can maybe add Josh Blackwell, though the Bears didn't sign him after the draft they claimed him off waivers from the Eagles in 2022.)

Whether that's a lack of interest or an inability to identify guys who might help (the latter is clearly more damning), it's an issue.
No love for Bagent?!?!?

Re: Keep On Cringing About Center

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:56 pm
by Rusty Trombagent
RichH55 wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:42 pm
thunderspirit wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:44 am

One of the consistent criticisms I've had of Poles is the team's unwillingness to invest much in the UDFA market while he's been GM, where (sometimes, at least) contributors to your team can be found, including at center and guard. He's had two UDFA "finds", both on the defensive side (Jaylon Jones and Jack Sanborn, both in 2022; you can maybe add Josh Blackwell, though the Bears didn't sign him after the draft they claimed him off waivers from the Eagles in 2022.)

Whether that's a lack of interest or an inability to identify guys who might help (the latter is clearly more damning), it's an issue.
No love for Bagent?!?!?

Re: Keep On Cringing About Center

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:08 pm
by thunderspirit
Rich is just pandering to Rusty now. :-P

Fair enough. Bagent is an oversight by me. (That's in no small part because I had an early Day 3 draftable grade on him and I completely forgot he went undrafted.)

Re: Keep On Cringing About Center

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:49 pm
by Grizzled
Among 64 Centers:

Drew Dalman:
26 years old; 6'3", 300 pounds
78.8 overall PFF grade, 4th among centers
66.6 passing grade, 21st
79.8 run blocking grade, 5th
554 snaps, 31st
3 penalties, 31st
2 sacks, 43rd

Coleman Shelton
29 yo, 6'4", 299 lbs.
66.4 overall grade, 20th
68.4 passing, 19th
66.7 rushing, 24th
1121 snaps, 3rd
4 penalties, 41st
3 sacks, 51st

Ryan Kelley
31 yo, 6'4", 307 lbs
67.0 overall, 18th
71.9 passing, 18th
64.0 running, 18th
601 snaps, 29th
1 penalty, 12th
1 sack, 29th