Would you listen on Keenan Allen?

[malagabears]

[wab]

Help the team that the entire NFL is trying to beat, when we don't need to offload anyone and are trying to develop a rookie #1 overall pick at QB? Nah.

[dplank]

Until KC loses their secret weapons, REF1 REF2 REF3, I think they’ll be fine.

ANOTHER late game questionable flag influenced their last game against the Chargers. It’s wild - every single week now.

[Ditka’s dictaphone]

Depends what they’re offering, needs to be a R2 pick considering it’s likely to be a late one…..


Or do they want to trade us one of their Oline players?

Then I’m listening

[Moriarty]

Of course

But I don't know how much they're offering.
Typically teams aren't looking to replace an unavailable guy with an unavailable guy.

[thunderspirit]

Help the team that the entire NFL is trying to beat, when we don't need to offload anyone and are trying to develop a rookie #1 overall pick at QB? Nah.

There certainly would be a lot of variables.

How does this impact Caleb Williams' development?
What is KC willing to give up?
Is Keenan receptive?

I don't know that I'd make a deal, but I'd listen.

[grendel2000]

Help the team that the entire NFL is trying to beat, when we don't need to offload anyone and are trying to develop a rookie #1 overall pick at QB? Nah.

There certainly would be a lot of variables.

How does this impact Caleb Williams' development?
What is KC willing to give up?
Is Keenan receptive?

I don't know that I'd make a deal, but I'd listen.

Ditto.

As has been pointed out in the past, Keenan was added well before we knew we'd get Odunze. Obviously, we don't need to move him, but if it was for the right piece of the puzzle I'd definitely consider it, given how good Odunze looks so far and the fact that we only have KA for one year anyway at the moment. If we could add somebody who would make us better for a few years I'd definitely consider it.

[malagabears]

Or better yet, any other desperate NFL needy team who might have a serviceable Olineman?

[Bearfacts]

Or better yet, any other desperate NFL needy team who might have a serviceable Olineman?

I'd need far better than just a "serviceable level" OL. We have plenty of those already. Keenan Allen is a front line starter.

[Arkansasbear]

Have to listen.

Doesn't K.C. have a starting OG who is set to be free agent Trey Smith maybe????

[dplank]

I doubt we’d get much so I’d rather keep him for CWs sake

[Ditka’s dictaphone]

I want CW to focus on DJ and Rome.
Keenan is not a future Bear.
I’m listening

[HisRoyalSweetness]

Why would any team be interested in a WR battling a reported bone spur/plantar fasciitis which has already caused him to miss 2 of 4 games and not finish a third, let alone one who will cost the remainder of a $23m contract before hitting free agency?

If Poles got an offer equivalent to what he gave up, i.e. a 4th rounder, then he should seriously consider it because Allen's little help to Williams if he keeps missing time or is hampered all year. 7 catches on 14 targets for 48 yards in two games isn't production that should be difficult to replace. It's also not production that is likely to entice KC or any other team to think he'd be worth acquiring despite his injury issues.

[LacertineForest]

Why would any team be interested in a WR battling a reported bone spur/plantar fasciitis which has already caused him to miss 2 of 4 games and not finish a third, let alone one who will cost the remainder of a $23m contract before hitting free agency?

If Poles got an offer equivalent to what he gave up, i.e. a 4th rounder, then he should seriously consider it because Allen's little help to Williams if he keeps missing time or is hampered all year. 7 catches on 14 targets for 48 yards in two games isn't production that should be difficult to replace. It's also not production that is likely to entice KC or any other team to think he'd be worth acquiring despite his injury issues.

Maybe they can sweeten the deal if they throw in Velus

[Otis Day]

Why would any team be interested in a WR battling a reported bone spur/plantar fasciitis which has already caused him to miss 2 of 4 games and not finish a third, let alone one who will cost the remainder of a $23m contract before hitting free agency?

If Poles got an offer equivalent to what he gave up, i.e. a 4th rounder, then he should seriously consider it because Allen's little help to Williams if he keeps missing time or is hampered all year. 7 catches on 14 targets for 48 yards in two games isn't production that should be difficult to replace. It's also not production that is likely to entice KC or any other team to think he'd be worth acquiring despite his injury issues.

Maybe playing with Mahomes would be a miracle cure.

[Ditka’s dictaphone]

Why would any team be interested in a WR battling a reported bone spur/plantar fasciitis which has already caused him to miss 2 of 4 games and not finish a third, let alone one who will cost the remainder of a $23m contract before hitting free agency?

If Poles got an offer equivalent to what he gave up, i.e. a 4th rounder, then he should seriously consider it because Allen's little help to Williams if he keeps missing time or is hampered all year. 7 catches on 14 targets for 48 yards in two games isn't production that should be difficult to replace. It's also not production that is likely to entice KC or any other team to think he'd be worth acquiring despite his injury issues.

Maybe they can sweeten the deal if they throw in Velus

No, that’ll sour the deal

[UOK]

No.

[HurricaneBear]

I'll probably listen to any offer, as you always should. But they'd have to overpay. They offer me a 1st or their best olineman? Sure let's talk.

Otherwise Keenan Allen is of more benefit to the Bears and CW development.

[malk]

A 3rd round pick and $17.5m of cap space sure would be nice to out towards offensive linemen next year...

[BreadNCircuses]

I'll probably listen to any offer, as you always should. But they'd have to overpay. They offer me a 1st or their best olineman? Sure let's talk.

Otherwise Keenan Allen is of more benefit to the Bears and CW development.

I agree about listening, but if we could get an upgrade over the 4th we traded for Allen, I'd probably take it all else being equal

[otis]

Yeah. I'd flip him for a third and the cap space. Or a lineman. And velus would probably be a star for kc.

Keenans foot would probably magically heal if he went to kc too.

[RichH55]

Until KC loses their secret weapons, REF1 REF2 REF3, I think they’ll be fine.

ANOTHER late game questionable flag influenced their last game against the Chargers. It’s wild - every single week now.

This is a terrible take.

Can you actually imagine Poles saying anything so nonsensical?

I cannot

[RichH55]

I'll probably listen to any offer, as you always should. But they'd have to overpay. They offer me a 1st or their best olineman? Sure let's talk.

Otherwise Keenan Allen is of more benefit to the Bears and CW development.

Say they offer a 2nd Rounder - Straight Up

What say you?

[Ditka’s dictaphone]

I'll probably listen to any offer, as you always should. But they'd have to overpay. They offer me a 1st or their best olineman? Sure let's talk.

Otherwise Keenan Allen is of more benefit to the Bears and CW development.

Say they offer a 2nd Rounder - Straight Up

What say you?

Deal

It’s a late one, of course, but I’d take it.
DJ 1
Rome 2

Figure the rest out

[Shadow]

Anything at 3rd round or better you have to take. Free draft upgrade and cap relief.
Anything at the 4th or later has to come with an O-Lineman in the trade. Or maybe even a promising D-Lineman.

As stated above "Keenan was brought in, in case they didn't get Odunze. Well, they got him so Keenan is an expensive, nice to have, luxury.

I make this trade it it comes to pass.

[HurricaneBear]

I'll probably listen to any offer, as you always should. But they'd have to overpay. They offer me a 1st or their best olineman? Sure let's talk.

Otherwise Keenan Allen is of more benefit to the Bears and CW development.

Say they offer a 2nd Rounder - Straight Up

What say you?

Honestly not sure. The KC 2nd is gonna be 28th or later in the round so alot more like a 3rd. I'm looking at it as if Poles plays his cards right and let's Keenan walk, we can still comp a 5th rounder.

I almost included 2nd with my original post. If it was say, the Raiders 2nd id definitely do it. The insurance of having 3 legit NFL receivers in Calebs rookie year means ALOT to me.

So id probably take the 2nd? Will they take Stone Hands Jones also because then yes anything to get that bum off the roster.

Id much rather swap him for a starting olineman fwiw.

[malk]

I think the reason we don't do it is that some of the staff are feeling a warmish seat and if we trade him and then either Moore or Odunze get injured there'll be all kinds of grief.

Still, Moore, Odunze, Kmet and Swift, plus the cameo from Carter and some prior pedigree from Everett even if we haven't seen it yet... that should be more than enough. It's the cap space we might end up needing as much as the pick. I think our line will continue to improve but none of them look good so it looks like we'll need to go after it in the draft and in free agency...

[UOK]

I don't think the WR depth is good enough to just dump Allen for anything less than a first or early second. Plus,


1. It's a bad look to give up on one of your rookie QBs favorite targets
2. They gave up a 4th to get him, so getting even a 3rd back is barely a profit
3. The Bears aren't 0-4/1-3 and in a position to be sellers....yet

[HisRoyalSweetness]

Honestly not sure. The KC 2nd is gonna be 28th or later in the round so alot more like a 3rd. I'm looking at it as if Poles plays his cards right and let's Keenan walk, we can still comp a 5th rounder.

Is there really much likelihood Poles would get a R5 if he doesn't re-sign Allen? That's the maximum for him as a 10+ year vet and there are all sorts of offsets. Poles will have $70m in cap space and few other in-house free agents to extend, so you have to think he's going to be doing some shopping in the offseason. I'll be quite surprised if the Bears get any comp picks.

The only reason for considering trading Allen at this point is his health, which is the very same reason why I can't see another team being willing to make an offer.

[RichH55]

Honestly not sure. The KC 2nd is gonna be 28th or later in the round so alot more like a 3rd. I'm looking at it as if Poles plays his cards right and let's Keenan walk, we can still comp a 5th rounder.

Is there really much likelihood Poles would get a R5 if he doesn't re-sign Allen? That's the maximum for him as a 10+ year vet and there are all sorts of offsets. Poles will have $70m in cap space and few other in-house free agents to extend, so you have to think he's going to be doing some shopping in the offseason. I'll be quite surprised if the Bears get any comp picks.

The only reason for considering trading Allen at this point is his health, which is the very same reason why I can't see another team being willing to make an offer.

Comp picks - now we are talking my language

5th is the maximum on Keenan - yes. BUT remember its a totality thing (Granted this assumes a big bump in Jenkins play) But he is MOST likely to play a roll as a cancellation signing IMHO.

If Jenkins signs a big contract (looking less likely by the Week - At least as to the R3 Comp pick range) - that is what you need to protect (Don't make the AQM mistake again!). (*)

I think this team is good and deep and relatively young. - But also expecting ZERO FA signings (I guess you could stick to guys who get cut) is a Decent sized ask.

(*) If you are gonna sign a guy like Trey Smith to a deal at/near the top of the Guard market- then all bets are off (though then you are more likely to get the 5th for Allen - Just not the 3rd/4th for Jenkins)

But Allen leaving via FA- would let you do something like sign Ryan Kelly to a decent contract and still get the Jenkins pick