670 The Score/CHGO/Podcasts/Media Talk

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

670 the SCORE is just all doom and gloom. Dan Bernstein is in his element with all of this negativity surrounding the Bears right now. They're not giving any credit to Thomas Brown, or what he's doing. Not giving him any credit at all.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

100% this, Brown should not be the first Bear official to address Eberflus.

(I do wish they'd had this kind of foresight before Friday's 9:00 a.m. Zoom, mind you. That still smacks of Amateur Hour. But maybe they're learning.)

The zoom fiasco is overblown externally, but there are concerns that McCaskey and Warren will need to express internally during HC interviews to assure them it was an aberration.

Dan Bernstein is acting like it was the worst thing to ever happen within the Bears. I'm not sure if I can listen to him anymore today.

[UOK]

The zoom fiasco is overblown externally, but there are concerns that McCaskey and Warren will need to express internally during HC interviews to assure them it was an aberration.

Dan Bernstein is acting like it was the worst thing to ever happen within the Bears. I'm not sure if I can listen to him anymore today.

He’s been on one. I get that he’s celebrating being “right,” but years of covering this shitshow has melted his brain.

[UOK]

670 the SCORE is just all doom and gloom. Dan Bernstein is in his element with all of this negativity surrounding the Bears right now. They're not giving any credit to Thomas Brown, or what he's doing. Not giving him any credit at all.

I don’t think Dan is long for the station. I think he’ll say SOMEthing over the line before long that’ll finally push Mitch Rosen to give him a buyout and wish him well.

[wab]

670 the SCORE is just all doom and gloom. Dan Bernstein is in his element with all of this negativity surrounding the Bears right now. They're not giving any credit to Thomas Brown, or what he's doing. Not giving him any credit at all.

The SCORE has turned into an insufferable black hole of negativity, and Bernsy is the gravity sucking event horizon of the whole thing. Boers was the only human being in the world that could keep him from teetering over the edge.

[G08]

@UOK @wab

Agreed on all accounts. All I do these days is hunt for interviews with Brad Biggs and select others.

[UOK]

I think the Score is generally in a good place. Marshall Harris is level-headed and has a bright future. Spiegel is coming into his own, honestly in spite of Laurence Holmes, who IMO should either be back in evenings or even overnights as a solo host. Spiegs will miss Parkins badly but he’s taken off his gloves of late, being much more (and appropriately) damning of Chicago sports figures.

Mully and Haugh are very solid, and Dustin keeps them on their toes. It’s a dysfunctional family at WSCR, but if you can disregard Bernstein as much as every other host at the station does, it’s still appealing. To me, anyway.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

670 the SCORE is just all doom and gloom. Dan Bernstein is in his element with all of this negativity surrounding the Bears right now. They're not giving any credit to Thomas Brown, or what he's doing. Not giving him any credit at all.

The SCORE has turned into an insufferable black hole of negativity, and Bernsy is the gravity sucking event horizon of the whole thing. Boers was the only human being in the world that could keep him from teetering over the edge.

God...He's just blathering on and on about how bad the Bears are. Laughing about their failures. But he does it from the perspective of, they should have done things perfectly, and they didn't, and therefore should be excoriated for it. "...insufferable black hole of negativity, and Bernsy is the gravity sucking event horizon of the whole thing" may end up being the most accurate comment said in this entire thread.

[dplank]

I can’t listen to those people. I already spend waaaay too much time on this hobby but how bad do you have to be to behave like those people?

[Otis Day]

Have not been able to listen to Bernsy in years. Glad he is afternoons when I work. I catch Mully and Haugh while working out in the morning. Catch very little of Speigs and Holmes. I used to like Holmes when he was solo better than as part of a tag team. The SCORE takes me back. I have been listening for probably at least 28 yrs. First heard when taking my daughter as a baby to the Shriners Hospital in Oak Park and have continued to listen. Back in the day they had Tom Shair (sp), Mike Greenberg, Jesse Rogers, Mike North, Jiggets, Dan McNeil. It used to provide good entertainment.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Sounds like we need to give Byron Leftwich or Pep Hamilton a call, and send the jet.

Nah, no need to be rushing it.

This. Interview windows for Monken, Flores, and Brady just opened and we haven't had a chance to interview any of them yet - we're not going to hire a coach without talking to the top candidates. There is zero reason to rush at this point, despite temper tantrums from David Haugh and Adam Hoge.

[Arkansasbear]

Thanks for that. I never have the time to devote to watching the complete "broadcast" of stuff like that. I need the Cliff's Notes versions.

[dplank]

Nah, no need to be rushing it.

This. Interview windows for Monken, Flores, and Brady just opened and we haven't had a chance to interview any of them yet - we're not going to hire a coach without talking to the top candidates. There is zero reason to rush at this point, despite temper tantrums from David Haugh and Adam Hoge.

While I get your point, I'm quite tired of the sentiment that people are throwing temper tantrums about the HC search, and the insanely long list of candidates/timeline that we seem to be working on. You're making it out as if people aren't thoughtful, but you aren't addressing the key reason why a lot of folks like myself think we should be moving faster. I'll repeat that reason again....

We've already seen the Patriots get the early jump with Vrabel. If the Raiders pull a similar move (illegally) with Ben Johnson by back channeling a deal ahead of the allowed timeframe (something that is absolutely positively a distinct possibility here) while we wait around thinking we're still in the game for Johnson, we are putting whoever our next best candidate is at extreme risk of landing in Dallas, New Orleans, or Jacksonville. We can't be bringing a knife to a gun fight, per se. And so there's an element of pacing here that directly ties to us getting the candidate we want, or if we lose out on him getting the next one we favor - before someone else makes them an offer and brings them in.

So anyways, we can disagree on this, but let's not paint other people as acting like immature fools, there are valid reasons for concern and this franchise deserves no benefit of doubt IMO.

[G08]

Rob Demovsky - long time Packers beat reporter was on the CHGO podcast today to talk about McCarthy's time in Green Bay. Good stuff about the McCarthy/Rodgers relationship. Talked about how McCarthy is a real QB coach, all about the details, and really developed Rodgers. Talked about the end with Rodgers and how Rodgers wanted McCarthy out.

Bottom line from Demovsky - if Chicago was winning 10 or 11 games and needed to get over the hump, then McCarthy probably isn't the guy. But if they want someone to come in and 'fix' the team, develop the QB, and get them to the playoffs there might not be a more perfect candidate.

Thank you for these recaps / summaries man

[G08]

This. Interview windows for Monken, Flores, and Brady just opened and we haven't had a chance to interview any of them yet - we're not going to hire a coach without talking to the top candidates. There is zero reason to rush at this point, despite temper tantrums from David Haugh and Adam Hoge.

While I get your point, I'm quite tired of the sentiment that people are throwing temper tantrums about the HC search...

It's quite painful to listen to on the radio / on a podcast.

I really don't know what the fuck has happened to Adam Hoge, but since he started working alongside Mark Carman every single day, his overall quality of work has regressed significantly.

It's sad, dude was one of my favorite listens, been following Hoge & Jahns since they were originally called the Intentional Grounding podcast.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

This. Interview windows for Monken, Flores, and Brady just opened and we haven't had a chance to interview any of them yet - we're not going to hire a coach without talking to the top candidates. There is zero reason to rush at this point, despite temper tantrums from David Haugh and Adam Hoge.

While I get your point, I'm quite tired of the sentiment that people are throwing temper tantrums about the HC search, and the insanely long list of candidates/timeline that we seem to be working on. You're making it out as if people aren't thoughtful, but you aren't addressing the key reason why a lot of folks like myself think we should be moving faster. I'll repeat that reason again....

We've already seen the Patriots get the early jump with Vrabel. If the Raiders pull a similar move (illegally) with Ben Johnson by back channeling a deal ahead of the allowed timeframe (something that is absolutely positively a distinct possibility here) while we wait around thinking we're still in the game for Johnson, we are putting whoever our next best candidate is at extreme risk of landing in Dallas, New Orleans, or Jacksonville. We can't be bringing a knife to a gun fight, per se. And so there's an element of pacing here that directly ties to us getting the candidate we want, or if we lose out on him getting the next one we favor - before someone else makes them an offer and brings them in.

So anyways, we can disagree on this, but let's not paint other people as acting like immature fools, there are valid reasons for concern and this franchise deserves no benefit of doubt IMO.

Jumping to conclusions on who the best candidate is is how you end up making shit hires - its also the reason the Rooney Rule was put in place. The Bears haven't even interviewed, virtual or not, 3 of the guys generally thought of as top Head Coach prospects - why on earth should they be making a decision? 80% of these hires are going to flame out in 3 or 4 years - you want to hire a shit head coach faster?

And I didn't say 'people' were having temper-tantrums, I very specifically identified two guys who on-air acted like petulant toddlers and threw temper tantrums because the Bears weren't doing things the way they wanted them to.

[The Cooler King]

This. Interview windows for Monken, Flores, and Brady just opened and we haven't had a chance to interview any of them yet - we're not going to hire a coach without talking to the top candidates. There is zero reason to rush at this point, despite temper tantrums from David Haugh and Adam Hoge.

While I get your point, I'm quite tired of the sentiment that people are throwing temper tantrums about the HC search, and the insanely long list of candidates/timeline that we seem to be working on. You're making it out as if people aren't thoughtful, but you aren't addressing the key reason why a lot of folks like myself think we should be moving faster. I'll repeat that reason again....

We've already seen the Patriots get the early jump with Vrabel. If the Raiders pull a similar move (illegally) with Ben Johnson by back channeling a deal ahead of the allowed timeframe (something that is absolutely positively a distinct possibility here) while we wait around thinking we're still in the game for Johnson, we are putting whoever our next best candidate is at extreme risk of landing in Dallas, New Orleans, or Jacksonville. We can't be bringing a knife to a gun fight, per se. And so there's an element of pacing here that directly ties to us getting the candidate we want, or if we lose out on him getting the next one we favor - before someone else makes them an offer and brings them in.

So anyways, we can disagree on this, but let's not paint other people as acting like immature fools, there are valid reasons for concern and this franchise deserves no benefit of doubt IMO.

Even if they're back channeling and doing it well, everything else outside should look normal.

We'll never know if they secretly back channel or not or if we find out about it we're losing picks.

Soooo...

First step is to see who advances. A whole slew of candidates aren't walking in the door for another 5 days minimum. And a guarantee that some names from initial list can't get in door for a week after that.

[o-pus #40 in B major]

This. Interview windows for Monken, Flores, and Brady just opened and we haven't had a chance to interview any of them yet - we're not going to hire a coach without talking to the top candidates. There is zero reason to rush at this point, despite temper tantrums from David Haugh and Adam Hoge.

While I get your point, I'm quite tired of the sentiment that people are throwing temper tantrums about the HC search, and the insanely long list of candidates/timeline that we seem to be working on. You're making it out as if people aren't thoughtful, but you aren't addressing the key reason why a lot of folks like myself think we should be moving faster. I'll repeat that reason again....

We've already seen the Patriots get the early jump with Vrabel. If the Raiders pull a similar move (illegally) with Ben Johnson by back channeling a deal ahead of the allowed timeframe (something that is absolutely positively a distinct possibility here) while we wait around thinking we're still in the game for Johnson, we are putting whoever our next best candidate is at extreme risk of landing in Dallas, New Orleans, or Jacksonville. We can't be bringing a knife to a gun fight, per se. And so there's an element of pacing here that directly ties to us getting the candidate we want, or if we lose out on him getting the next one we favor - before someone else makes them an offer and brings them in.

So anyways, we can disagree on this, but let's not paint other people as acting like immature fools, there are valid reasons for concern and this franchise deserves no benefit of doubt IMO.

Somebody on here suggested that if Johnson truly wants to work for the Raiders, it's a good indication that he's probably not what the Bears are looking for.

I guess I lean toward saying anyone who chooses the Raiders over the Bears would be demonstrating a huge problem with their judgement.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

While I get your point, I'm quite tired of the sentiment that people are throwing temper tantrums about the HC search...

It's quite painful to listen to on the radio / on a podcast.

I really don't know what the fuck has happened to Adam Hoge, but since he started working alongside Mark Carman every single day, his overall quality of work has regressed significantly.

It's sad, dude was one of my favorite listens, been following Hoge & Jahns since they were originally called the Intentional Grounding podcast.

I think Hoge is high on his own supply and his journalism school didn't teach him about correlation and causation. Hoge built a 'formula' for head coach success based off of some traits he believes are shared among successful coaches (but has no idea if these traits are predictive) and Vrabel was the highest scoring coach. He compared Vrabel leaving Tennessee to Reid leaving Philadelphia - which is ridiculous but at least partly explains why he was incredulous the Bears didn't try and hire Vrabel immediately without doing any other interviews. If he really believes Vrabel = Reid then I guess he would be upset. Unfortunately a quick comparison of their resume's will show there is no merit to that comparison. But Hoge's 'formula' has made him insufferable.

And I think there is something to the Mark Carmen influence. CHGO chose to fire Nicholas Moreano - a reporter/journalist - and to extend the contract of Mark Carmen a veteran sports radio guy/professional contrarian/complainer. These last few weeks have confirmed to me that CHGO is leaning hard into a more sports radio type format with hot takes and constant complaining. Its been proven over the last 8+ years that outrage gets more ratings than thoughtful analysis and now that its known CHGO is struggling that's the direction they've decided to go. And Hoge & Jahns isn't much different.

[wab]

This. Interview windows for Monken, Flores, and Brady just opened and we haven't had a chance to interview any of them yet - we're not going to hire a coach without talking to the top candidates. There is zero reason to rush at this point, despite temper tantrums from David Haugh and Adam Hoge.

While I get your point, I'm quite tired of the sentiment that people are throwing temper tantrums about the HC search, and the insanely long list of candidates/timeline that we seem to be working on. You're making it out as if people aren't thoughtful, but you aren't addressing the key reason why a lot of folks like myself think we should be moving faster. I'll repeat that reason again....

We've already seen the Patriots get the early jump with Vrabel. If the Raiders pull a similar move (illegally) with Ben Johnson by back channeling a deal ahead of the allowed timeframe (something that is absolutely positively a distinct possibility here) while we wait around thinking we're still in the game for Johnson, we are putting whoever our next best candidate is at extreme risk of landing in Dallas, New Orleans, or Jacksonville. We can't be bringing a knife to a gun fight, per se. And so there's an element of pacing here that directly ties to us getting the candidate we want, or if we lose out on him getting the next one we favor - before someone else makes them an offer and brings them in.

So anyways, we can disagree on this, but let's not paint other people as acting like immature fools, there are valid reasons for concern and this franchise deserves no benefit of doubt IMO.

So aside from breaking the rules, what is the solution?

Outside of hiring McCarthy tomorrow after some token interview in the morning, there is literally no way to go faster. Every team is on the same timeline and the only way Johnson gets hired by anyone right now is if it's done outside of the rules. Everyone claiming the Bears are being slow because of what the Pats did are willfully ignoring how this is all supposed to work.

[UOK]

Moved a glut of posts over regarding CHGO stuff, sorry if it's jarring to the other thread.

[Otis Day]

Everybody take a time out. Hit the pipe/bong/joint/blunt/one hitter, eat an edible and R-E-L-A-X. It will all be alright in a Bears way at some point.

[G08]

It's quite painful to listen to on the radio / on a podcast.

I really don't know what the fuck has happened to Adam Hoge, but since he started working alongside Mark Carman every single day, his overall quality of work has regressed significantly.

It's sad, dude was one of my favorite listens, been following Hoge & Jahns since they were originally called the Intentional Grounding podcast.

I think Hoge is high on his own supply and his journalism school didn't teach him about correlation and causation. Hoge built a 'formula' for head coach success based off of some traits he believes are shared among successful coaches (but has no idea if these traits are predictive) and Vrabel was the highest scoring coach. He compared Vrabel leaving Tennessee to Reid leaving Philadelphia - which is ridiculous but at least partly explains why he was incredulous the Bears didn't try and hire Vrabel immediately without doing any other interviews. If he really believes Vrabel = Reid then I guess he would be upset. Unfortunately a quick comparison of their resume's will show there is no merit to that comparison. But Hoge's 'formula' has made him insufferable.

And I think there is something to the Mark Carmen influence. CHGO chose to fire Nicholas Moreano - a reporter/journalist - and to extend the contract of Mark Carmen a veteran sports radio guy/professional contrarian/complainer. These last few weeks have confirmed to me that CHGO is leaning hard into a more sports radio type format with hot takes and constant complaining. Its been proven over the last 8+ years that outrage gets more ratings than thoughtful analysis and now that its known CHGO is struggling that's the direction they've decided to go. And Hoge & Jahns isn't much different.

I caught that too! He fucking compared Mike Vrabel to Andy Reid and I shut the episode off I was that disgusted.

[HisRoyalSweetness]

It will all be alright in a Bears way at some point.

[wulfy]

I've been a fan of Hoge forever - he's really good when surrounded by competent cohosts. But Mark Carman is a really, really tough listen and drags that entire show to a screeching halt every day. I'm okay with Braggs - he's kind of a modern-day Mike North who is at least self-aware that he's a meatball. Lance Briggs adds nothing and Corey Wooten seems like he doesn't really want to do the show. Firing of Nicholas Moreano was a huge mistake - I get that in a start-up media venture that revenues are tough to keep up with expenses. But losing Nick vs Carm is a good indication of where they want to with the program (i.e. hot takes)

[cblaz11]

I like CHGO until they bring in the former players…Just don’t enjoy them.

Carm is what he is..a schtick. I don’t love him or hate him..

Mully is the only one I really enjoy on 670…Bernstein is the absolute worst and I think he’s on his last legs in prime time

Waddle/Silvy and Carmen/Jurko are always good listens

[dplank]

I was in on Vrabel, but comparing him to Andy Reid is asinine

[RichH55]

While I get your point, I'm quite tired of the sentiment that people are throwing temper tantrums about the HC search, and the insanely long list of candidates/timeline that we seem to be working on. You're making it out as if people aren't thoughtful, but you aren't addressing the key reason why a lot of folks like myself think we should be moving faster. I'll repeat that reason again....

We've already seen the Patriots get the early jump with Vrabel. If the Raiders pull a similar move (illegally) with Ben Johnson by back channeling a deal ahead of the allowed timeframe (something that is absolutely positively a distinct possibility here) while we wait around thinking we're still in the game for Johnson, we are putting whoever our next best candidate is at extreme risk of landing in Dallas, New Orleans, or Jacksonville. We can't be bringing a knife to a gun fight, per se. And so there's an element of pacing here that directly ties to us getting the candidate we want, or if we lose out on him getting the next one we favor - before someone else makes them an offer and brings them in.

So anyways, we can disagree on this, but let's not paint other people as acting like immature fools, there are valid reasons for concern and this franchise deserves no benefit of doubt IMO.

Jumping to conclusions on who the best candidate is is how you end up making shit hires - its also the reason the Rooney Rule was put in place. The Bears haven't even interviewed, virtual or not, 3 of the guys generally thought of as top Head Coach prospects - why on earth should they be making a decision? 80% of these hires are going to flame out in 3 or 4 years - you want to hire a shit head coach faster?

And I didn't say 'people' were having temper-tantrums, I very specifically identified two guys who on-air acted like petulant toddlers and threw temper tantrums because the Bears weren't doing things the way they wanted them to.

You are going to be right,

All you get in response for good will - Fan is short for Fanatic

[RichH55]

While I get your point, I'm quite tired of the sentiment that people are throwing temper tantrums about the HC search, and the insanely long list of candidates/timeline that we seem to be working on. You're making it out as if people aren't thoughtful, but you aren't addressing the key reason why a lot of folks like myself think we should be moving faster. I'll repeat that reason again....

We've already seen the Patriots get the early jump with Vrabel. If the Raiders pull a similar move (illegally) with Ben Johnson by back channeling a deal ahead of the allowed timeframe (something that is absolutely positively a distinct possibility here) while we wait around thinking we're still in the game for Johnson, we are putting whoever our next best candidate is at extreme risk of landing in Dallas, New Orleans, or Jacksonville. We can't be bringing a knife to a gun fight, per se. And so there's an element of pacing here that directly ties to us getting the candidate we want, or if we lose out on him getting the next one we favor - before someone else makes them an offer and brings them in.

So anyways, we can disagree on this, but let's not paint other people as acting like immature fools, there are valid reasons for concern and this franchise deserves no benefit of doubt IMO.

Everyone are willfully ignoring how this is all supposed to work.

Well....Yes.

But that lets people say nonsense.

[Bearfacts]

It's quite painful to listen to on the radio / on a podcast.

I really don't know what the fuck has happened to Adam Hoge, but since he started working alongside Mark Carman every single day, his overall quality of work has regressed significantly.

It's sad, dude was one of my favorite listens, been following Hoge & Jahns since they were originally called the Intentional Grounding podcast.

I think Hoge is high on his own supply and his journalism school didn't teach him about correlation and causation. Hoge built a 'formula' for head coach success based off of some traits he believes are shared among successful coaches (but has no idea if these traits are predictive) and Vrabel was the highest scoring coach. He compared Vrabel leaving Tennessee to Reid leaving Philadelphia - which is ridiculous but at least partly explains why he was incredulous the Bears didn't try and hire Vrabel immediately without doing any other interviews. If he really believes Vrabel = Reid then I guess he would be upset. Unfortunately a quick comparison of their resume's will show there is no merit to that comparison. But Hoge's 'formula' has made him insufferable.

And I think there is something to the Mark Carmen influence. CHGO chose to fire Nicholas Moreano - a reporter/journalist - and to extend the contract of Mark Carmen a veteran sports radio guy/professional contrarian/complainer. These last few weeks have confirmed to me that CHGO is leaning hard into a more sports radio type format with hot takes and constant complaining. Its been proven over the last 8+ years that outrage gets more ratings than thoughtful analysis and now that its known CHGO is struggling that's the direction they've decided to go. And Hoge & Jahns isn't much different.

Thanks for saving me from having to make the same point about Mark Carmen who has always been the King of Kvetching on any show he's been a part of. It's his shtick. As for Hoge and Jahns I've always respected Adam Jahns as being one of the best of the Bears Beat guys. He's analytical and often quite accurate.

I've sensed a bit of separation between he and Hoge during their podcasts. While he doesn't directly call out Hoge for his shoot from the hip style comments he's not always in agreement either but chooses to stick with his own style of simply telling is as he sees it leaving Hoge to deal with their differences of opinion.

Let's be painfully honest about the media in general. People no longer want facts and the truth. They want to be prodded with lies and misinformation and enraged. That keeps them engaged and keeping them engaged makes more money than peaceful agreement. All of this has been manufactured for a purpose......greed.