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5 TD passes, including the game winner with 6 seconds left, against the eagles. Even despite his two ints, he sewed up rookie of the year today imo.

If I’m an Eagles fan, I’m condemning Vic Fangio, who called a terrible sequence on the last drive
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This kid has a rabbits foot up his a$$. Amazing season from him.

I just have to tip my cap to him, Kingsbury, and Quinn.
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Ending of that game was WILD.

just from watching highlights though, washington receivers were running free all game. wtf was going on with the eagles.
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I don’t regret for a second that we drafted Caleb but Washington is what happens when your coaching puts a young quarterback in position to succeed.

I don’t want him but you better believe Kingsbury is going to get a lot of consideration for HC jobs. We better not be looking at anything BUT an Offensive minded coach.
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Gardner-Johnson got ejected from the game for the Eagles and his replacement looked like he'd never played football before leaving guys wide open.

Also, that Devonta Smith drop on 3rd down with 2 minutes remaining was even worse than any of the terrible drops we've seen from a Bears player.
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Daniels was far from perfect in what I saw after Fox switched to the Eagles-Commanders game - his second INT was brutal - but 5 TD passes, including the game winner with 6 seconds left, was an early legacy moment. Jayden seems to have carried over the magic of his heisman campaign to the nfl.


Caleb experienced adversity in his last season at USC and it’s grown exponentially in the nfl
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DTsFlappingGums wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 9:02 pm Also, that Devonta Smith drop on 3rd down with 2 minutes remaining was even worse than any of the terrible drops we've seen from a Bears.
Luck's certainly gone Daniels' way this year and against Caleb.

Daniels gets wins on a Hail Mary and after an easy game-clinching 3rd down pass is dropped. Caleb loses to the Hail Mary and then has a game-winning field goal blocked.

Hopefully Caleb and the Bears will start getting their fair share on luck next year.
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HisRoyalSweetness wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:03 am
DTsFlappingGums wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 9:02 pm Also, that Devonta Smith drop on 3rd down with 2 minutes remaining was even worse than any of the terrible drops we've seen from a Bears.
Luck's certainly gone Daniels' way this year and against Caleb.

Daniels gets wins on a Hail Mary and after an easy game-clinching 3rd down pass is dropped. Caleb loses to the Hail Mary and then has a game-winning field goal blocked.

Hopefully Caleb and the Bears will start getting their fair share on luck next year.
I'm hoping this is like when A-Train won ROY over Ladanian Tomlinson. Except the Bears get the HOF player in the end and Washington gets A-Train.
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wab wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 10:08 am
HisRoyalSweetness wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:03 am

Luck's certainly gone Daniels' way this year and against Caleb.

Daniels gets wins on a Hail Mary and after an easy game-clinching 3rd down pass is dropped. Caleb loses to the Hail Mary and then has a game-winning field goal blocked.

Hopefully Caleb and the Bears will start getting their fair share on luck next year.
I'm hoping this is like when A-Train won ROY over Ladanian Tomlinson. Except the Bears get the HOF player in the end and Washington gets A-Train.
This right here.

I’m curious if there was a redraft available, how many would take Daniels first overall? I think if you poll this board it would be near zero. If you poll the professional analysts I think 75% minimum would go Daniels. But I honestly don’t think they are accounting enough for the dramatic difference is circumstances for the two players. And what’s really amazing is our WR TE room is waaaaay better than Washington. But coaching and OL are just incredibly important.
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And he does it again. This time against the Falcons.

That kid is the goods.
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Daniels is the real deal - everything essentially hoped Fields would become - equally lethal with his arm and legs. He’s ahead of where Lamar Jackson was as a rookie.

I love Caleb’s talent and upside. If there were a redraft TODAY, I’d have to take Jayden, knowing that he likely wouldn’t have been as good in Chicago with Shane Waldron. Hopefully, in a couple of years, my answer to that question will be different
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RG3 beat out Andrew Luck for ROY in 2012. What'd that matter?
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Burl wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:32 am RG3 beat out Andrew Luck for ROY in 2012. What'd that matter?
Great perspective, one year is one year.

That being said, guys, Jayden Daniels looks fucking good. There are some GMs around the league who were saying Daniels will be the better pro.
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If memory serves, most GMs polled seem to lean toward Caleb, but there was a contingent that believed Daniels was the true "generational talent" given his ability to marry his elite athleticism with considerable arm talent (I'd still give Caleb the edge on the latter). The "hindsight-o-meter" can generate thoughts of "what if the Bears had hired Kliff Kingsbury as their OC and drafted Daniels and Brocker Bowers?"

IMO, Caleb is more raw than many of us, including me, thought. Daniels - and Nix - had a lot more experience/reps coming in and its showed, The latter two have also had far superior coaching, line play and support from the run game.

The head coaching/coaching staff hire, and the 2025 offseason, are shaping up to be as consequential as any in recent Bears history.

G08 wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:47 am
Burl wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:32 am RG3 beat out Andrew Luck for ROY in 2012. What'd that matter?
Great perspective, one year is one year.

That being said, guys, Jayden Daniels looks fucking good. There are some GMs around the league who were saying Daniels will be the better pro.
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A-Train beat Ladanian Tomlinson for ROY too... <shrug>
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As an aside, it's kind of fucking awesome that there might be five legit QBs that came out of last year's draft. Even Penix looked good in his first two starts.
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Rusty Trombagent wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 10:42 am As an aside, it's kind of fucking awesome that there might be five legit QBs that came out of last year's draft. Even Penix looked good in his first two starts.
Considering that it wasn't supposed to be great past Williams and Daniels, I agree. Hopefully it's a fun class to watch for years.
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artbest01 wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 10:06 am The head coaching/coaching staff hire, and the 2025 offseason, are shaping up to be as consequential as any in recent Bears history.
G08 wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:47 am Great perspective, one year is one year.

That being said, guys, Jayden Daniels looks fucking good. There are some GMs around the league who were saying Daniels will be the better pro.
Hence my undying trepidation...

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He certainly looks good, and it's nice that his receivers actually make plays for him on the inaccurate throws. I'm still concerned he's going to get broken with all of the running, but may as well take advantage while you can.
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Burl wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:32 am RG3 beat out Andrew Luck for ROY in 2012. What'd that matter?
For that matter, how is CJ Stroud looking these days?

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Stroud -- and Ryans for that matter. I just agree that we need to be looking at something besides the flavor of the month. These days, narratives change week to week -- sometimes day to day.

We just need to worry about getting the right coaching staff in here and we'll be fine.
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IotaNet wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 11:52 am
Burl wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:32 am RG3 beat out Andrew Luck for ROY in 2012. What'd that matter?
For that matter, how is CJ Stroud looking these days?

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Stroud -- and Ryans for that matter. I just agree that we need to be looking at something besides the flavor of the month. These days, narratives change week to week -- sometimes day to day.

We just need to worry about getting the right coaching staff in here and we'll be fine.
Stroud’s OL was good last year too. It’s exactly the same group this year but injuries have ravaged them.

I think this is important for Bears fans who are hyper focused on the OL to be aware of.
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wab wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 11:59 am
IotaNet wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 11:52 am For that matter, how is CJ Stroud looking these days?

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Stroud -- and Ryans for that matter. I just agree that we need to be looking at something besides the flavor of the month. These days, narratives change week to week -- sometimes day to day.

We just need to worry about getting the right coaching staff in here and we'll be fine.
Stroud’s OL was good last year too. It’s exactly the same group this year but injuries have ravaged them.

I think this is important for Bears fans who are hyper focused on the OL to be aware of.
Nate Tice has been banging this drum for awhile now (regarding the Texans OL)
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Burl wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:32 am RG3 beat out Andrew Luck for ROY in 2012. What'd that matter?
Stop spoiling the haters parade - People are mad that Fields isn't good and thus vengeance must be sought
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IotaNet wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 11:52 am
Burl wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:32 am RG3 beat out Andrew Luck for ROY in 2012. What'd that matter?
For that matter, how is CJ Stroud looking these days?

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Stroud -- and Ryans for that matter. I just agree that we need to be looking at something besides the flavor of the month. These days, narratives change week to week -- sometimes day to day.

We just need to worry about getting the right coaching staff in here and we'll be fine.
I called this in advance - When people were trying to say if Caleb isn't better than CJ's rookie year he's a bust type nonsense - I was saying - I'm not sure CJ Stroud's 2nd year is gonna be better than his Rookie year
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I think too much is being made of our OL injuries. And I think a big part of that is Nate Davis, who isn’t an injury issue but a mental one. And after the shit he pulled last year - on top of the issues he showed in Tennessee - Poles should have known better than to have relied so heavily on him. Bates is the one that hurt most, but he wasn’t even one of the starting 5 projected when Poles assembled the roster. Brax and Tev have missed some time but not an insane amount - and let’s be honest, the line was still terrible when they were in there. Shelton, Pryor, and Wright have stayed healthy all year. Had Poles spent a 3rd or 4th on a G in either of the last two drafts it may have gone differently. Instead we got Pryor and Curhan. And he missed badly on his 3rd round tackle in terms of having him be the primary backup, he’s been a healthy scratch.

It’s like our DL to me. Billings got hurt and the entire run defense went to hell. That is absolutely unacceptable roster construction IMO.
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The O line have “talent injuries” bless them
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Instead of Matt Pryor and Jake Curhans, I’d rather have a couple young draft picks - decent ones not 6th and 7th rounders - to put out there when injuries hit. That’s how you develop talent. You have to actually draft some first, then you have them grow in a backup role and take over when ready. Poles wants to develop but he keeps forgetting the first step. He hasn’t drafted a G the last two drafts, and the one before were 7th round total scrubs.
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dplank wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 5:14 pm I think too much is being made of our OL injuries. And I think a big part of that is Nate Davis, who isn’t an injury issue but a mental one. And after the shit he pulled last year - on top of the issues he showed in Tennessee - Poles should have known better than to have relied so heavily on him. Bates is the one that hurt most, but he wasn’t even one of the starting 5 projected when Poles assembled the roster. Brax and Tev have missed some time but not an insane amount - and let’s be honest, the line was still terrible when they were in there. Shelton, Pryor, and Wright have stayed healthy all year. Had Poles spent a 3rd or 4th on a G in either of the last two drafts it may have gone differently. Instead we got Pryor and Curhan. And he missed badly on his 3rd round tackle in terms of having him be the primary backup, he’s been a healthy scratch.

It’s like our DL to me. Billings got hurt and the entire run defense went to hell. That is absolutely unacceptable roster construction IMO.
When we were healthy (which wasn't very often) - No the OL wasn't terrible. Braxton And Tev both grade out well - We aren't talking All Pros - We aren't talking garbage either

Braxton Jones missed 5 full games, and a majority of another 2 games. Tevin is looking like he will miss 3 full games, and then missed a majority of 3 Games, and played 51% of another. Was less than 100% in a chunk of them too, but whatever

That is a sizeable amount from what should have been 2 of your 3 best OL. Granted it wasn't all injuries like the New England game

Lack of Depth at DT? Fair point (though it overlooks the roster that Poles took over mind you - AND overlooks that we fired the Defensive Coordinator for reasons that had almost nothing to do with his Defensive Coaching). It's probably true of almost every team in the NFL that they have one position group that injuries would hurt it more than other positions - So unacceptable is too far.

Curhan is just offbase bashing for the most part. Even throwing Nate Davis out - Curhan would have been what on the Depth chart going into the season? 10th? When you are that far down the depth chart - Chances are that guy isn't gonna be great.

Also Pryor wasn't terrible BTW.
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dplank wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 5:33 pm Instead of Matt Pryor and Jake Curhans, I’d rather have a couple young draft picks - decent ones not 6th and 7th rounders - to put out there when injuries hit. That’s how you develop talent. You have to actually draft some first, then you have them grow in a backup role and take over when ready. Poles wants to develop but he keeps forgetting the first step. He hasn’t drafted a G the last two drafts, and the one before were 7th round total scrubs.
Again - Pryor wasn't actually as bad as you'd like him to be for purposes of this (I think PFF has him like 39th or so as to Guards? Maybe it got worse after last week? Either way we aren't talking Qasim Mitchell)

Team that Poles took over (probably will steal this for another post as well)

Cap - It was ok. It wasn't great, wasn't terrible. Getting rid of the Mack and Quinn contracts helps (Mack especially as to Cap Room)



No 1st Rounder

Players they had that would be part of this team and good/helpful:

Montgomery - they did have a HB - Could have resigned him. Is he a Top 10 HB?

Cole Kmet - Good Tight End - Top Ten TE for me (Dplank you don't think hes good or football smart so your mileage may vary)

JJ - #1 CB (Granted this came to be through the process - touch and go as to #1 CB, but proven to be a building block). Top Ten CB in the league for me

Mooney - Legit #2 WR. 3 Years 39 million looks pretty good right now actually. Game changer? Star? Well, No. Legit #2 ? Yes.

Teven Jenkins- Good when he plays. Top 15 Guard overall. Giving you like just over 50% of a season if you ignore Rookie Year

Roquon Smith - Pro Bowl off the ball LB - That you also need to pay $20 million a season and looked slightly worse this year - Still this is a GOOD player, who is young, though not cheap at a non premium position

Cairo - Kicker - Sold

Mack - not really counting - moving him for the pick was the right move (*). But he's at least a player that has value (Quinn was not, getting a 4th for him was just damn FIne GM work)

(*) The Mack stuff is where all the "Tear Down" stuff comes from. IMHO There was no tear down - There was just a Crappy team there

James Daniels - Not really no. He benefits from simply not being Nate Davis. Steelers run is pretty meh.

Borom? I think he's a subpar Swing Tackle, So let's say he's a Depth Guard- Though even that is a bummer because due to the CBA since he played so much he's actually more expensive than he should be for a Rookie contract later round guy

And that was the list.

So all you need
#1 QB
Another HB
#1 WR
#3 WR
Backup TE
Left Tackle
Right Tackle
Swing Tackle
Starting Guard
Guard for the 50% of Tev missed time
Starting Center
Backup Guard/Center
2nd LB
3rd LB
#1 DE
#2 DE
#1 DT
#2 DT
Backup DE
Backup DT
#2 CB
#3 CB
CB Depth
Free Safety
Strong Safety
Backup Safety
Punter
Long Snapper

So no biggie! Probably 2 offseasons no problem!
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dplank wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 5:14 pm I think too much is being made of our OL injuries. And I think a big part of that is Nate Davis, who isn’t an injury issue but a mental one. And after the shit he pulled last year - on top of the issues he showed in Tennessee - Poles should have known better than to have relied so heavily on him. Bates is the one that hurt most, but he wasn’t even one of the starting 5 projected when Poles assembled the roster. Brax and Tev have missed some time but not an insane amount - and let’s be honest, the line was still terrible when they were in there. Shelton, Pryor, and Wright have stayed healthy all year. Had Poles spent a 3rd or 4th on a G in either of the last two drafts it may have gone differently. Instead we got Pryor and Curhan. And he missed badly on his 3rd round tackle in terms of having him be the primary backup, he’s been a healthy scratch.

It’s like our DL to me. Billings got hurt and the entire run defense went to hell. That is absolutely unacceptable roster construction IMO.
I don't hate on Poles as much as you do for rolling back with Davis. When he played at TN he was a very solid player. He gets to Chicago and has to get started right after losing a family member. That's harder on some more than other who can compartmentalize it better. I was excited about the Kiran pick when it happened thinking he would get a redshirt year and then secure a starting spot, maybe even LT, next year. If he can do that, he was worth the pick. Regardless of who we took there, they weren't impacting this year's results. So I"m not throwing out the baby with the bathwater just yet. But he pretty much needs to secure a starting spot next year to prevent another tarnish on Pole's draft history.

Speaking of his tarnished draft history, I was thinking about the Claypool trade. Without it maybe we land Joey Porter with the pick and with the Stephenson pick we land O'Cyrus Torrence who made the all rookie team at OG for the Bills.
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