Ohio State Pro Day

[wulfy]

Bear Bears turnout including Poles, Ben, DA and Bill Johnson.



Fair to guess they were looking at the DLinemen (JT, Sawyer, Ty Williams and Ty Hamilton). Miraculously, Jack Sawyer’s arms grew 2” since the Combine. Apparently, Josh Simmons looked pretty good in a limited workout. If healthy, he might be the best 1 or 2 pure LT in the draft.

Workout numbers here:

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-sta ... 25-pro-day

[wab]

I’d assume they were looking at RBs too.

[Moriarty]

Miraculously, Jack Sawyer’s arms grew 2” since the Combine.

His arms were 3/8 longer, wingspan 3/4 shorter


Sawyer claims he couldn't run because of a "hamstring tweak". Didn't seem remotely interested in running later in the 4+ weeks he has left.
Tui only did the shuttle, but it was solid, at least.

[wulfy]

Miraculously, Jack Sawyer’s arms grew 2” since the Combine.

His arms were 3/8 longer, wingspan 3/4 shorter


Sawyer claims he couldn't run because of a "hamstring tweak". Didn't seem remotely interested in running later in the 4+ weeks he has left.
Tui only did the shuttle, but it was solid, at least.

Maybe he cut his fingernails?

I think Caleb can get away with not running a 40 and it not affecting his draft stock. I’m not sure Jack Sawyer can.

That said, I like Jack Sawyer … and JT.

[crueltyabc]

I had never put together how many OSU players I like. I'm glad to see some evidence that Poles & Co are also interested.

Simmons
JT
Judkins
Henderson
Donovan Jackson
Lathan Ransom

They could probably put together an all Buckeye draft that I'd be very excited about

[wab]

I had never put together how many OSU players I like. I'm glad to see some evidence that Poles & Co are also interested.

Simmons
JT
Judkins
Henderson
Donovan Jackson
Lathan Ransom

They could probably put together an all Buckeye draft that I'd be very excited about

I'm not sure why Ty Hamilton doesn't get more buzz. Most draft sites don't even have him in the top 100.

[wulfy]

I had never put together how many OSU players I like. I'm glad to see some evidence that Poles & Co are also interested.

Simmons
JT
Judkins
Henderson
Donovan Jackson
Lathan Ransom

They could probably put together an all Buckeye draft that I'd be very excited about

I'm not sure why Ty Hamilton doesn't get more buzz. Most draft sites don't even have him in the top 100.

Cody Simon too. He’s going in 6th or 7th round in simulators.

[thunderspirit]

Simon is probably going to test as an average to below-average NFL athlete, and that's likely to relegate him to Day 3. His intelligence and instincts make up for some of that, but not all of it.

I'd still grab him in Round 4 or 5, though.

[G08]

Josh Simmons:

6'4.75" // 312 lbs // 10" hands // 34.125" arms // 81.25" wingspan // 34 reps of 225


I've maintained that his tape is fucking excellent. If Campbell and Membou are off the board by #10, and you have clean medicals on this kid... do you draft him?

[wab]

Josh Simmons:

6'4.75" // 312 lbs // 10" hands // 34.125" arms // 81.25" wingspan // 34 reps of 225


I've maintained that his tape is fucking excellent. If Campbell and Membou are off the board by #10, and you have clean medicals on this kid... do you draft him?

If his medicals are clean and you aren’t sold on Jones or KA, then sure.

[G08]

Josh Simmons:

6'4.75" // 312 lbs // 10" hands // 34.125" arms // 81.25" wingspan // 34 reps of 225


I've maintained that his tape is fucking excellent. If Campbell and Membou are off the board by #10, and you have clean medicals on this kid... do you draft him?

If his medicals are clean and you aren’t sold on Jones or KA, then sure.

I don't see Jones back in 2026. KA is a question mark right now but has tackle/guard versatility.

[Bearfacts]

His arms were 3/8 longer, wingspan 3/4 shorter


Sawyer claims he couldn't run because of a "hamstring tweak". Didn't seem remotely interested in running later in the 4+ weeks he has left.
Tui only did the shuttle, but it was solid, at least.

Maybe he cut his fingernails?

I think Caleb can get away with not running a 40 and it not affecting his draft stock. I’m not sure Jack Sawyer can.

That said, I like Jack Sawyer … and JT.

Sawyer won't post a sub 4.6 40 time but he's probably in the 4.65-4.70 range. His game is all about his quick first step and winning off the snap. Kind of the polar opposite of Gervon Dexter. He's a solid early 2nd round pick IMHO because he's versatile and he plays hard. To me he's a Dan Hampton type kid Chicago should love.

[Moriarty]

Maybe he cut his fingernails?

I think Caleb can get away with not running a 40 and it not affecting his draft stock. I’m not sure Jack Sawyer can.

That said, I like Jack Sawyer … and JT.

Sawyer won't post a sub 4.6 40 time but he's probably in the 4.65-4.70 range.

I would have thought so before this.

However, him skipping Combine, Pro Day, and not rescheduling overwhelmingly reeks of ducking.
I'm assuming significantly worse now.

[wab]

Sawyer won't post a sub 4.6 40 time but he's probably in the 4.65-4.70 range.

I would have thought so before this.

However, him skipping Combine, Pro Day, and not rescheduling overwhelmingly reeks of ducking.
I'm assuming significantly worse now.

Same. I think he goes on day 3. Probably 4th round.

[wulfy]

Maybe he cut his fingernails?

I think Caleb can get away with not running a 40 and it not affecting his draft stock. I’m not sure Jack Sawyer can.

That said, I like Jack Sawyer … and JT.

Sawyer won't post a sub 4.6 40 time but he's probably in the 4.65-4.70 range. His game is all about his quick first step and winning off the snap. Kind of the polar opposite of Gervon Dexter. He's a solid early 2nd round pick IMHO because he's versatile and he plays hard. To me he's a Dan Hampton type kid Chicago should love.

He’s the gritty/“dirty” type of player that Ben Johnson described he liked in offensive linemen. A poor man’s Aidan Hutchinson.

[wab]

I'm with Mori on this one. You can't skip every testing opportunity and expect your stock to rise. He's either afraid of those numbers of feels like he's better than that and shouldn't have to. Either way it's a bad look.

[crueltyabc]

I think the lack of athleticism is on tape. He uses his arm length and football IQ to make plays but he doesn't seem special to me at all. I don't want him at all to be honest. We don't need a try hard non-athlete to linger at the bottom of our roster.

[Z Bear]

Athleticism isn't everything, you need dudes who excel at ball too.

[crueltyabc]

Athleticism isn't everything, you need dudes who excel at ball too.

Good conversation to have around late-round prospects but he isn't one. Consensus board currently has him at #51

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/bi ... board-2025

I don't want my second rounders to have a limited athletic ceiling unless I'm seeing a very high floor and need an immediate starter at the position. That's not the situation with the Bears

[Bearfacts]

Sawyer won't post a sub 4.6 40 time but he's probably in the 4.65-4.70 range.

I would have thought so before this.

However, him skipping Combine, Pro Day, and not rescheduling overwhelmingly reeks of ducking.
I'm assuming significantly worse now.

Maybe and maybe not. Even at a 4.7 he'll take some heat because he's not a 4.55 guy.

It's his first step quickness and his versatility that are his calling cards and he's put far and away enough on tape for a team to know what they're getting. I'd love to see Poles take him in round two. He reminds me of Dan Hampton.

[Bearfacts]

I would have thought so before this.

However, him skipping Combine, Pro Day, and not rescheduling overwhelmingly reeks of ducking.
I'm assuming significantly worse now.

Same. I think he goes on day 3. Probably 4th round.

Betcha a $1 buck he goes lone before that.

[Z Bear]

Good conversation to have around late-round prospects but he isn't one. Consensus board currently has him at #51

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/bi ... board-2025

I don't want my second rounders to have a limited athletic ceiling unless I'm seeing a very high floor and need an immediate starter at the position. That's not the situation with the Bears

So how do you feel about Shemar Stewart? Ranked much higher than Sawyer, with half of the production (being very generous here).

[wulfy]

Good conversation to have around late-round prospects but he isn't one. Consensus board currently has him at #51

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/bi ... board-2025

I don't want my second rounders to have a limited athletic ceiling unless I'm seeing a very high floor and need an immediate starter at the position. That's not the situation with the Bears

So how do you feel about Shemar Stewart? Ranked much higher than Sawyer, with half of the production (being very generous here).

He scares the shit out of me in Round 1.

[Bearfacts]

I think the lack of athleticism is on tape. He uses his arm length and football IQ to make plays but he doesn't seem special to me at all. I don't want him at all to be honest. We don't need a try hard non-athlete to linger at the bottom of our roster.

You're missing the most important thing about him yet you state it. He just goes out and makes plays that's all. His sack and pressure rates are second only to James Pearce so he has enough athleticism to bring it to a QB. The problem with the Bears every time they hit a losing cycle they have a roster full of "athletes" who aren't good football players. Draft and sign more good football players and we'll win more games. Jack Sawyer can play.

[Bearfacts]

Good conversation to have around late-round prospects but he isn't one. Consensus board currently has him at #51

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/bi ... board-2025

I don't want my second rounders to have a limited athletic ceiling unless I'm seeing a very high floor and need an immediate starter at the position. That's not the situation with the Bears

So how do you feel about Shemar Stewart? Ranked much higher than Sawyer, with half of the production (being very generous here).

But.....but.....but, he's such a great athlete. That part is true. What's also true is that he hasn't been a very productive football player despite this. Great athleticism isn't synonymous with a high ceiling. High football IQ and consistent non-stop effort are. Teams need far more "lunch bucket" core type players than stars because stars cost a lot of money and they can't do it alone. Those are guys teams draft on Day Two.

[crueltyabc]

Shemar is like a super powered alien playing football for the first time. Only he’s actually just a person who has played football his whole life and never actually figured out that sometimes the QB is just pretending the hand off the ball. He is a very long shot to succeed in my opinion.

[RichH55]

I think the lack of athleticism is on tape. He uses his arm length and football IQ to make plays but he doesn't seem special to me at all. I don't want him at all to be honest. We don't need a try hard non-athlete to linger at the bottom of our roster.

You're missing the most important thing about him yet you state it. He just goes out and makes plays that's all. His sack and pressure rates are second only to James Pearce so he has enough athleticism to bring it to a QB. The problem with the Bears every time they hit a losing cycle they have a roster full of "athletes" who aren't good football players. Draft and sign more good football players and we'll win more games. Jack Sawyer can play.

He worked alot over the RT IIRC ....And the production was relatively modest in his College Career

He does have a High Floor (Motor is excellent) unforunately it is very close to his Ceiling.

Honestly a decent comp for him would be Demarcus Walker (minus about 15 pounds)- Who went #51 in his Draft year

[Z Bear]

Shemar is like a super powered alien playing football for the first time. Only he’s actually just a person who has played football his whole life and never actually figured out that sometimes the QB is just pretending the hand off the ball. He is a very long shot to succeed in my opinion.

Totally agree with that assessment, but leaves me confused on what you are valueing in a prospect. If you like production you'd like Sawyer more. If you like athleticism you'd like Stewart more. It's not like Sawyer is under sized or a sloth, he is just not elite. I will take a the guy with average athleticism and good production over a guy with elite athleticism and crap production all day every day.

[crueltyabc]

It's a matter of opportunity cost for me. I don't like a boom or bust players very much. IMO top 75 players (where these guys are projected to be drafted) should be guys that are likely to be quality backups at minimum. If these guys "fall" to the third round then cool. If not, I'm worried that they'll fail and the pick will be wasted while other useful players go to other teams. Stewart could (very likely) bust because the light never comes on and he can't be trusted to actually run to the player with the ball and tackle him. Sawyer could (pretty likely) fail because he's not strong enough or fast enough or bendy enough to be effective... even if he's trying to do the right thing and he's using good technique, etc. The guys I like in round 1 and 2 have a higher floor than both of these guys and, in the case of Sawyer, a higher ceiling.

[Moriarty]

Liking or disliking one extreme doesn't mean you have to feel the opposite way about the other extreme.



Sawyer has very average athleticism to work with - maybe below average, given him hiding from measurements.

Yes, you can name guys like that who had great success.
There's also thousands more whose names you've mostly forgotten because that only translated to success at the college level.

Take Ahmed Hassanein - he produced even more than Sawyer, with technique, hustle, and subpar athleticism.
Nobody's talking him up for R2. What does Sawyer bring that makes you want to spend 100-200 picks earlier on him?
Somewhat better competition and...?